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tf::transformBroadcaster shows error of Lookup into the past, best practice for setting up broadcaster and listener

asked 2018-02-18 16:08:41 -0600

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updated 2018-02-19 03:46:38 -0600

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Follow up with my previous question #q283013, currently I have another problem with tf broadcaster with same error of lookup into the past. I am really confused now and I hope that you can help me understand a proper way to set up tf broadcaster/listener. I followed an example here #q90246 and fixed my listener. Here is the code:

#include < stuffs..>
class cloudHandler{
        main_sub = nh.subscribe("pico_flexx/points",1,&cloudHandler::mainCB,this);  
        rail_plane_pub = nh.advertise<sensor_msgs::PointCloud2>("rail_plane",1);
        fit_rails_sub = nh.subscribe("rail_plane",1,&cloudHandler::fit_railsCB,this);   
    void mainCB(const sensor_msgs::PointCloud2ConstPtr& input){ 

        < stuff...>     
    void rail_plane(pcl::PointCloud<pcl::PointXYZ>::Ptr input, pcl::PointCloud<pcl::PointXYZ>::Ptr cloud_projected){
        < stff...>

    void fit_railsCB(const sensor_msgs::PointCloud2ConstPtr& input_from_camera_frame){              
        catch(tf::TransformException &ex){

        sensor_msgs::PointCloud2 input_in_bl; 
    pcl_ros::transformPointCloud("base_link",*input_from_camera_frame,input_in_bl,cam_bl); // this is ok to transform now

    <...processing my stuff...>

    /*Now I tried to published my result*/
    tf::Vector3 rail_origin(p.x,p.y,p.z);
    static tf::TransformBroadcaster rail_br;
    tf::Transform rail_tf_;
    rail_br.sendTransform(tf::StampedTransform(rail_tf_,ros::Time::now(),"base_link","rail")); /*Can't send broadcast here, the node keeps dieing and restarting which cause a broken tf*/

    geometry_msgs::PoseStamped r_p2;

    r_p2.header.stamp = ros::Time::now();
    r_p2.header.frame_id = "rail";

    r_p2.pose.position.x = p.x;
    r_p2.pose.position.y = p.y;
    r_p2.pose.position.z = p.z;

    r_p2.pose.orientation = tf::createQuaternionMsgFromYaw(yaw_rail);

    rail_pose_pub2.publish(r_p2);/*Can't even publish this message*/
  tf::TransformListener cam_bl;
  ros::NodeHandle nh;
  ros::Subscriber main_sub, fit_rails_sub;
  ros::Publisher  rail_pose_pub;  
int main(int argc, char **argv){
    ros::init(argc, argv, "pico_rails_node");
    cloudHandler handler;
    return 0;

I have no idea why I can't send my tf broadcast. I believe it is proper to stamp my broadcast with ros::Time::now() since it requires sometime to process all my stuff. I also tried to stamp my broadcaster with the time stamp of the incoming message but the error still happened.

[ERROR] [1518989417.344710428, 1518732057.962978755]: Lookup would require extrapolation into the past.  Requested time 1518732055.923351000 but the earliest data is at time 1518732056.005952182, when looking up transform from frame [pico_flexx_optical_frame] to frame [base_link]

Obviously, I have missed something about tf here. I understand that:

  1. a tf listener requires some time to cache up all the transforms, so in callback, the first few calls should just return;

  2. if we can look up transform, it means that the tf tree is set up properly, then a broadcaster can broadcast anytime with correct transformations between frame_ids. It is logical to stamp this broadcaster with a current time.

So my question is :

1) Could you show me what I misunderstand and/or miss here?

2) Is there a proper way set up the tf to avoid this situation? Example for my class, I put every publishers and subscribers in class constructor, and all callbacks are for ... (more)

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Have you gone through the network setup on the wiki? You may have issues with the synchronization between clocks.

jayess gravatar image jayess  ( 2018-02-18 16:22:21 -0600 )edit

Yes, I did. I did set up ntp so that the robot's NUC is always synced with the current time. I recorded my data with rosbag and work with it on my laptop. I did set use_sim_time true before playing my bag and launching my node.

tuandl gravatar image tuandl  ( 2018-02-18 16:48:15 -0600 )edit

We're going to need some more info here: what does "keeps dying" mean? A SEGFAULT, some other error? As this is CPP, I would try to get a GDB backtrace.

Also: any reason to not make rail_br a member variable?

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 01:41:07 -0600 )edit

Finally: you're catch(..)ing the tf::TransformException in fit_railsCB(..), but then just printing the msg. If waitForTransform(..) throws an exception, continuing with the rest of the callback is pointless, so you should perhaps add a return there or something similar.

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 01:44:09 -0600 )edit


I believe it is proper to stamp my broadcast with ros::Time::now() since it requires sometime to process all my stuff

that depends: if the frame you attempt to broadcast is the result of processing the incoming cloud -- which was captured at a specific time, then reusing the stamp ..

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 01:45:36 -0600 )edit

.. from the cloud that was the input of your process makes more sense to me: how are 'downstream' consumers ever going to be able to correlate your TF frame with the state of the world (ie: at the time that the cloud was captured)? If processing my stuff takes a (hypothetical) 5 mins, ..

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 01:47:19 -0600 )edit

.. rail_tf_ will be broadcast based on 5 min old data. Without the stamp from the cloud that was processed, that will be impossible to detect.

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 01:47:57 -0600 )edit

Thank you for your detailed answer. This is a very long answer so I can't put it in a comment.

exactly. So editting your original question would have been appropriate.

I've merged your answer into your original question.

gvdhoorn gravatar image gvdhoorn  ( 2018-02-19 03:42:02 -0600 )edit

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answered 2018-02-20 07:45:36 -0600

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re: your gdb trace: you'll need to (re)build your workspace with CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE set to Debug

I was able to catch a segfault in <...process my stuff...> which seems to cause a segfault in a broadcaster object.

I am still curious about my error though: if I build my package in Release mode, the segfault caused by my algorithm wouldn't crash my node without asking a broadcaster to broadcast my result. It would only crash when I ask a broadcaster to broadcast the result.

But this is a different question. Thank you for your help @gvdhoorn. Please close this question.

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